Added 12.27.04

In attendance: Larry, Brant, Grace, Bill, BJ, Harry, Dan, Don, Andy, Brad,
Scott A., Michael (nomadBT), Will, BJ's baby daughter, Michael's daughter

I. Call to order and establishment of Quorum - Meeting was called to order
with 6 of 8 quorum.

II. Set next meeting date and time. - Next meeting date was selected:
December 11 10:30 AM at same location: Pizza Hutt on Sahara and Valley View.

III. Officer Reports
A. Chairman (Larry)
1. Club Rules on Proxying / Future Format of LVGC GW Events -
a. Larry opened, with major agreement from many present, stating that
proxying should not be allowed for RTTs and that it can/could be acceptable
at other non-RTT club events. There was much consideration of out of town
visitors paying money to stay and play in the tournament and having the
quality level of figures/painting to play against.
b. Grace: Grace has been talking back and forth with Robert Scheel about
future changes. These will be posted to the LVGC (members) list and voted on
at a future meeting. Proposed changes focus mainly on the scoring aspect
with winners being able to win both 1st, 2nd, 3rd AND best sportsman for
example. Specific army composition lists can be created for each army. Army
theming will be separated out from Army composition and painting. This would
include display boards, squad names, unit markings, etc.
c. A vote was taken to confirm that RTTs will comply by Games Workshop's
rules; this was unanimously approved by the officers.
d. There was some discussion about the status of proxies at club events and
RTTs with Michael expressing that we might get more people if we are more
open to proxies. This was almost universally rejected. Don contributed that
club policy should be that LVGC events should be left up to the judge to
decide what is acceptable as the judge(s) is the one putting his or her time
into the event and anything questionable should be run by him or her first.
e. Grace: We will put examples of acceptable and unacceptable
proxying/conversions up on the website for reference. We need pictures of
such figures.
f. BJ expressed that as long as he is in charge of Games (Fantasy) the
Golden Snotling will always be run as an RTT.
g. A vote was taken regarding whether Ironman and Golden Snotling should
always be run as RTTs. 5 were in favor with Harry in the negative.

2. Report on Events for the rest of 2004 - The only remaining big event of
2004 is GenCon SoCal for which Grace says only 1 person has pre-registered.
The event itself is $7.50. Space is limited to 60. Two SoCal Outriders will
probably help run the tourney and they may possibly bring terrain from LA's
The Chosen.

B. Secretary (Brant)
1. Hirst Arts / Terrain Day - Larry agreed to host the terrain day in his
garage. A time will be scheduled/agreed upon at the next club meeting.

C. Treasurer (Nick/Unknown)
1. Status of Treasurer - There was some discussion as to Nick's status. In
any event, club dues will be collected at the beginning of 2005 so the new
club shirt will be available.

D. Morale/Outreach Officer (Robert O.)
Robert was not present, but officers discussed someone possibly helping him
with his position.

E. Publisher (Grace)
1. New Business

F. Game Sponsor 40K/Necromunda/BFG/Epic/Inquisitor (Bill)
a. 40K Army Challenge - At each stage until the last one the games will just
involve showing up and playing other people casually.
1. First 600 Pt Challenge at Dark Tower on Saturday, Dec.11
2. January 15 1100 Pts Finished
3. February 5 1500 Pts Finished.
Bill: February 26 40K RTT which will be the culmination of the 40k Army
Challenge at Griffith.
Bill or Grace: January 22 1750 pt. BFG tournament at Dark Tower. $10
Entrance Fee, $8 for Club Members

G. Game Sponsor WHFB/Mordheim/Warmaster/Bloodbowl (BJ)
BJ: There will be a Fantasy Army Challenge (most likely in the spring) on a
2 month schedule. It can be used to lead up to Golden Snotling 5.
Grace: Shawn (Dark Tower) might sponsor the event and give prize support as
GW is doing a big fantasy push in April.

H. Game Sponsor Other (Harry)
BJ: The November 20th Star Wars tournament will be filmed at Karl's Kool
Kollectibles on Sahara. There will be prize support in the form of Starter
et.
Harry: Planning on doing Lord of the Rings for 2005. He has been busy
painting up sample armies for people to use to get a hang of the
rules/get a taste of the game.

V. LA Gamesday 2005

A. Confirmation of Tables
1. Mega Chariot Race
a. Need to mock-up and begin construction - Harry and Brant have both agreed
to work on table construction. Harry said he will get something together
within the next week. There was talk of seeing if a member's contact
(possibly Rex) could have the table fabricated for us.
b. Need chariots - A request for chariots will be submitted to the boards.
Brant will do this.
c. Need designated spectator miniatures - Grace said she could possibly do
photographs of miniatures and print these out to fill the spectator stands.
Andy contributed that we could perhaps have the closet spectators be actual
figures.
d. Need rules - There was general agreement that Nick excels at making
simplified rules that are easy to play.

VII. ATOMICCON RECAP
A. Summary of Feedback Forms (Brant) Brant: Out of 32 forms, 20 were
returned with Excellent as the rating of the event. The other 12 had Good. 0
Average and 0 Poor. Overall recommendations/complaints were divided into 3
categories: 1.) not enough people there (specifically other Iron Man
players) 2.) not enough different games and the related 3.) too much focus
on Games Workshop (the majority of which comments came from Jason Coffey's
kids/Historicals). Other feedback included that it was too hot in the
church.
B. Opinions - Overall the consensus about AtomiCon 2004 was positive. Many
of the complaints discussed above were obvious and will be improved upon.
Harry and Don pointed out that only 2 people tried Dark Age, one of them
being BJ's daughter.
C. Planning for AtomiCon 2005 - Nothing was discussed about this.

XI. New Business - The meeting was promptly adjourned.

XII. Open Discussion